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What is your favorite free anti-virus software? (Poll)

Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
technology, computer-security, free-anti-spyware, free-anti-virus
By rottlady

Live Poll

Which do you think is the best?

View Results
  • 112470
    Avira Anti-vir personal edition
    29%
  • 112471
    Micorsoft Security Essentials
    18%
  • 112472
    Avast! Free Antivirus
    13%
  • 112473
    a-squared Free
    0%
  • 112474
    AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition 8.0
    24%
  • 112475
    Panda Cloud Anti-Virus 1.1
    0%
  • 112476
    Other, please list below in a comment
    16%

VoteTotal Votes: 121

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I'm wondering what you all think about in regards to which free anti-virus/anti-spyware program you like best. I did a search and found what some of the popular one's were. What do you think?

From Gizmo's Freeware

Avira AntiVir Personal Edition

Microsoft Security Essentials

Avast! Free Antivirus

a-squared Free

AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition


From PCMag.com

Panda Cloud Anti-Virus 1.1



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rottlady

I've heard a lot about the Microsoft Security Essentials lately, has anyone tried it yet?

  • 4 votes
#1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:57 AM EDT
Another Texan

I highly recommend MSE over some of the others. I use it on a lot of my client's computers as a free solution. Most of the other ones on your list are bloated and use a lot of system resources while updating and scanning. Especially, AVG and Avast!.

Think of it this way, MSE is from Microsoft, the company that also puts out Windows, so they know the inner workings of the OS better than anyone else. They are also usually the first ones alerted to a security hole and will be able to put out an update for it quicker.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
Mister Momo

My dad's a senior IT worker, and he recommends MSE.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
neenie1991

That's great information Texan. I had a tech 'fix' my system and he loaded AVG and malwarebytes on my computer. I still got slammed by a virus afterwards. I've been wondering about a solution. I've been looking around CNET and researching options.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
Augur Well

Well! I learn something new every day! Thanks, guys!

(*pinkgrins*!)

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
rottlady

I'm leaning toward this one as well. I have Onecare and it's going away at the first of next year. Do you think that it will cover the malware as well as Malwarebytes? I bought that one not too long ago, and hate to just delete it. And I've seen notes online that you can't run both real time programs at once.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
Another Texan

Malwarebytes is pretty nice, but I don't really like their active protection(pretty bloated). However, it is one of the best I have found for cleaning an infected computer.

So far, MSE seems to be the lightest, most effective, free anti-virus solution.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
frostyone

AVG, been running it for a couple of years now with no problems at all

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
Mark in Worcester

Shockingly, MSE is awesome.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

AVG. Head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to free anti-virus IMHO. I use it alongside of PC Tools Spyware Doctor (also freeware). Been happy with both for quite sometime.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT
GaryColumbus

I'd love to see at least one of the top anti-virus developers come up with a team that does nothing except for hunting viruses on the World Wide Web. When they find one they do what they can to reverse the worm to kill the hacker's equipment. No matter where or what country the virus stems from and damn any international border laws. With the same team find who they are and prosecute them to the ultimate limit of law including capitol punishment. The company who could do that, their product would be the key to their own mint.

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
logdump

I use Comodo fire wall and Avira and the best thing you can think of. An online virus scanner which also Does malware. I use trend. Most virus scanners are slow in catching a virus. Online scanners also are up to date and sometimes to the minute. Once a week I boot up to Kasperskys rescue disk and let it go over the entire system It boots from the CD and loads linux to do the scan If you have internet access it can use it to dl updates to the scanner which is now 10 I believe. I run three operating systems 2000 XP and 7 all booting off a different HD and have not had a virus this year knock on wood.

  • 2 votes
#1.11 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT
rottlady

I'd love to see at least one of the top anti-virus developers come up with a team that does nothing except for hunting viruses on the World Wide Web.

Amen!

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
Augur Well

Absolutely AMEN!

Images of some jackwagon's computer exploding thousands of little pieces of their machine into the cretins face, not quite strong enuff to kill, altho I could be easily enticed to look the other way, but just strong snuff to mark them for life as one of society's little parasites, gleefully filling my head!

Life in prison is almost too good for these human pigs. And I apologize to all four legged members of the genus of even-toed ungulates within the family Suidae everywhere.

My soapbox for the day, rottlady! Apologies!

(*pinkgrins*!)

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
SS-CA

I've worked in IT for both immensely-large and small scale, and it depends. I recommend Avast for PERSONAL use (hence free), but not for enterprise use (even small businesses may find something like a McAfee or Kapersky solution better suited). I've put Avast through all sorts of tests (I do a lot of software research and personal torrent use), and it catches a significant amount of viruses, more than most antiviruses, while also giving a low amount of false-positives; I'd say its resident scanner is one of the best, but its complete scan is terribly slow, I'll admit. While some may say its a resource-hog, I would seriously quesiton that, since I'm using a 2-year-old cheap netbook that has Avast and XP on it. The new version (5) seems to run better on computers with limited resources.

I see a lot recommend MSE, and while I've used it, it was decent, but I wouldn't personally ditch one of my others for it. (as an aside, I think Defender is one of the most pointless pieces of software ever made and forced onto users). The reality is most of the top brands in antivirus protection are quite comparable.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
Consider It

I use MSE at home. It's works great. Low overhead and it does the job.

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

I like MSE but my fave pay-ware is McAfee.

Running Norton now, though.

That made a lot of sense now, didn't it...(laughs)

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 8:34 PM EDT
Consider It

haha.

    #1.17 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
    rottlady

    Not really Robert.... *grins*

    • 2 votes
    #1.18 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
    George-369262

    Good to know....Tks !!

    • 1 vote
    #1.19 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT
    tyler

    Avast! Free Antivirus is my jam. Reminds me it's on in a polite British voice and then gobbles everything.

    • 6 votes
    #1.20 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
    Starseeker

    As a fairly early Win7 adopter the early choices were limited... I tried a few and in some cases a few different versions of some and had squirrely behaviour with them ... finally tried MSE and haven't had any issues, malware, or viruses since. MSE is solid, lightweight, and effective. Given that they run MSN.com, Hotmail.com, and the most attacked site on the plannet; Microsoft.com I'm sure they see it all.

    • 2 votes
    #1.21 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
    SS-CA

    Reminds me it's on in a polite British voice

    The first time I downloaded Avast years ago, it scared the @!$%# outta me. Speakers full blast, turn on the computer, 'VIRUS DATABASE HAS BEEN UPDATED!!!"

    I think everyone in the house screamed; we weren't warned, we weren't warned...

    Now its a lovely lady's voice, which is nice, far more soothing then the last. Apparently you can change the .wav file, haven't tried it. (of course you can also disable the voice completely)

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 6:45 PM EDT
    rottlady

    Reminds me it's on in a polite British voice and then gobbles everything.

    Tyler, I may have to download it just to hear that! Ha!

    SS-Ca, I think everyone in the house screamed; we weren't warned,

    I think it probably would scare the crap outta me too!

    • 1 vote
    #1.23 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
    Starseeker

    SS-Ca, I think everyone in the house screamed; we weren't warned,

    I think it probably would scare the crap outta me too!

    Yeah, how about the virus detection alarm in PC Tools Spyware Doctor it gets me every time... even when I know it's coming.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 6:58 PM EDT
    rottlady

    I think I would have to turn off all that stuff, I don't think my heart could take it.... *smiles*

    • 3 votes
    #1.25 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
    tojo1968

    Ive been using Comodo for 3 yrs now and have had better results than my $90 ayear Nortons.

      #1.26 - Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:42 PM EDT
      Reply
      Augur Well

      Good Mornin' rottlady! Hope you and the gang are doin' good!

      I voted "other" but only because one I am quite impressed with isn't listed. Malwarebytes. Very simple, flexible, and effective.

      I also have used Avast, on your list, and like it also.

      (*pinkgrins*!)

      • 3 votes
      Reply#2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT
      rottlady

      I actually have Malwarebytes Augur and I do like it, but I thought that a person needs an anti-virus program as well. I thought Malwarebytes just scanned for malware.

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
      Augur Well

      I thought Malwarebytes just scanned for malware.

      That's my thought as well, just malware. I do know it's a "tad" bloated, but I really can't complain on its effectiveness. It's caught quite a bit, especially lately.

      I've seen a lot of folks talk up MSE, not just here on the vine, but elsewhere too, and the large majority all say what the Texan and Mister say above. Methinks it may warrant a closer look.

      I also have Iobit along with malwarebytes, and have no complaints about it, at all. In fact, my last computer, a big box monster using XP, Mcafee and then Norton, the first time I used Iobit, it scrubbed 276 individual bugs that had been collecting for years from the system that had gotten past both of those useless crappers. Almost 4 gig of useless crap. One was even attached to a banner add from NatGeo's site! I still have that path written down around here somewhere.

      And I do NOT frequent the more "popular" sites replete with garbage attached, gaming, music, gambling, porn sites and the like. Nada! I am overseas a lot tho, and have been told to be ever vigilant accordingly. I'm always on the hunt for better anti programs.

      (*pinkgrins*!)

      • 3 votes
      #2.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
      rottlady

      I did find a fix that will let both MSE and malwarebytes run at the same time, I just don't know if I want to push it...

      • 2 votes
      #2.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
      Augur Well

      I just don't know if I want to push it...

      I know what you mean! Laughing with you, not at you! *grin*!

      Do tell tho, if you don't mind. I'd be interested to know what you have in mind!

      (*pinkgrins*!)

      • 1 vote
      #2.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
      rottlady

      Right now, I'm leaning toward using MSE and taking off the real-time protection from Malwarebytes. But I'm going to keep Mwbytes on the computer for periodic scans.

      • 2 votes
      #2.5 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT
      Reply
      King Dave

      Finally, some useful information on Newsvine.

      Just kidding Newsvine!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
      dkaz

      I'm a Symantec fan. Been using it for 2 years now.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
      rottlady

      I've heard too many horror stories about Symantec, dkaz. I had it once before and it was almost impossible to remove when I went to OncCare...

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT
      dkaz

      Well, so far so good for me. But reading Texan's comment, if I ever have any problems with Symantec, I'll keep his suggestion in mind.

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
      Elaine-1503791

      I'm using Symantec too and it's the only one that has worked well for me. I think I've tried them all, free and paid and have had nothing but problems. With Symantec I haven't had any problems at all since it's been installed almost a year now.

      • 1 vote
      #4.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT
      Mighty Mouth

      I too am using Norton Symantec - just install and you're good to go! No noticeable problems - I'd recommend it to anyone!!

      Word of advice: before renewing installation - wait until it's completely expired if you don't wish to incurr any problems!

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT
      SS-CA

      I had Norton in the past, and if there's anything one an say about Symantic is they are inconsistent in their product offerings. One year their product is decent, the next its terrible. I personally wouldn't recommend them, and if they require you to renew your subscription, I would ditch them for a free offering, but I didn't have any drastic issues with them. Also, always COMPLETELY remove an antivirus before installing another. You can have more than one antivirus, but many are incompatible, since so many now have resident scanners, its more likely to crash; in fact, many will include things like firewalls and other additional security features, its best to always know what all is being installed on your system. And, after uninstalling an antivirus, I recommend a good yet safe registry cleaner, such as CCleaner, before installing another.

      My personal favorite free apps for system performance are Avast, CCleaner, Auslogics Disk Defrag (especially if you have Vista/7), and Malwarebytes for its on-demand scan. Beyond that, good computer ethics go a long way (know what you're visiting/opening, always have protection, etc).

      • 3 votes
      #4.5 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT
      Agent 57

      Malwarebytes works really good for a once a week scan for me... I also use Spybot to scan.. my everyday (paid service) is Webroot anti-virus & spyware,,, with Windows Firewall ... love it... have used Zonealarm and Norton and McAfee they all seen to use to much system resources.....

      • 3 votes
      #4.6 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
      Reply
      Uthaclena

      The only virus that slipped past AVG on my XP computer in the last three years got fixed by Malwarebytes, so I'm pleased with the duo.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT
      Sgt. Pepper

      That's the exact combination I use. I've always been fortunate with Malwarbytes.

      • 3 votes
      #5.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
      Reply
      D DeMilo

      I've used Microsoft and it was exceptional as an av but a tad weak on malware and greyware. Avira is very effective on both and uses less system resources (also updates every 20 minutes)

      I still use malwarebytes in non-resident mode (real-time protection off) scheduled to run daily

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
      rottlady

      That great advice Doug, I'm leaning toward a solution just like that! MSE plus a portion of MWBytes.

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT
      D DeMilo

      that should work fine

      you can also periodically go to www.trendmicro.com and run their on-line scan to catch anything that slips through

      :)

      • 3 votes
      #6.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
      cookin mama

      what is greyware?

        #6.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
        rottlady

        I had to look it up, Cookin mama, but this is what I found

        Greyware refers to a malicious software or code that is considered to fall in the "grey area" between normal software and a virus. Greyware is a term for which all other malicious or annoying software

        such as adware, spyware, trackware, and other malicious code and malicious shareware fall under.

        • 2 votes
        #6.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
        Starseeker

        what is greyware?

        um... somewhere between whitewear and blackwear right next to underwear ...
        you really don't want it on your PC. ;-)

        • 5 votes
        #6.5 - Wed Sep 8, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
        Elaine-1503791

        Isn't greyware a viner who isn't your friend?

        Ok...I'm just joking!

        • 5 votes
        #6.6 - Wed Sep 8, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
        Corie

        D DeMilo

        Avira is very effective on both and uses less system resources...

        I've used the free version of Avira quite a while now. In the past, I've used the premium McAfee, the free and premium Avast (bought it this past July and found it was not what I wanted), and both the free and premium CA - but didn't like any of them as much as I like Avira. I tried Norton about 6 or 7 years ago, but it was a resource hog (then my PC had only 512 megs worth of RAM). Back then, it was hard to delete Norton once it extended its tentacles into a system. Microsoft used to add a one-year Norton subscription on at least their Compaq line & some people found it impossible to delete the hog. Most my friends were happy when someone finally wrote a 'delete Norton' program.

        I've paired Avast with the free version of ThreatWare (from PC Tools). And I use Avast for a complete system scan every 3 or 4 days.

        http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2347573,00.asp said this about the program:

        ThreatFire offers supplemental protection against zero-day attacks that are too new to have a signature. It's a fine, free addition to your security arsenal

        Spybot's TeaTimer always runs when my computer is on (unless I'm not on the internet). Every couple weeks or so I run Spybot, but it hasn't shown anything wrong in over a year - maybe because I run CCleaner every time I close my browser. I did also use the paid version of Ad-Aware, but deleted it because glitches started popping up (possibly because it had a problem with running alongside TeaTimer?) Some people say TeaTimer slows down a computer, but I haven't noticed it. I use XP sp2, now have 3 gigs of RAM, and use the free firewall, Online Armor.

        When Ad-Aware was sent to the recycle bin, I bought SuperAntiSpyware. It has no problems getting along with the rest of my running programs, and it performs a complete scan at least once a week.

        Also have the free version of Malwarebytes, and run a scan every week, or more often if people mention any bugs hopping around.

        And I get a free scan online every so often with Trend Micro's HouseCall.

        • 1 vote
        #6.7 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:29 AM EDT
        Reply
        Allegory

        Voted "Other."

        It's Malwarebytes for me.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
        rottlady

        You do know that Malwarebytes is not an anti-virus program don't you? You really should have something to supplement it.

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
        Allegory

        AVG

        • 3 votes
        #7.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:50 PM EDT
        Reply
        Tedd Riggs

        Even thou I am a Mac person and don't have to worry about such nastys anymore.

        I would use MSE and ZoneAlarm and cover yourself totally

        • 4 votes
        Reply#8 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        I would use MSE and ZoneAlarm and cover yourself totally

        The upcoming version of MSE does this type of network protection.

        • 2 votes
        #8.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
        Tedd Riggs

        I just like ZoneAlarm as Its always done a great job, was not aware of the new MSE, thanks, have to look into that for my Windows Machine

        • 4 votes
        #8.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
        rottlady

        Thanks for the link Pacific, but my Windows version is XP

        For Windows XP users: Please note that the network inspection system feature will not be enabled on Windows XP. This is because the network inspection system requires the Windows Filtering Platform (WFP) in order to run, and WFP is only available in Windows Vista and Windows 7. However, if you are running Windows XP, you can still use all other beta features.

        Dang it!

        • 1 vote
        #8.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
        cookin mama

        i have xp and 7.

        • 1 vote
        #8.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        Thanks for the link Pacific, but my Windows version is XP

        Well it had a good run, Oct 25th, 2001. That's a long time as operating systems go. :)

        At least Avast Professional and AVG will still work and like Tedd mentions above, ZoneAlarm can still provide that network filter.

        • 3 votes
        #8.5 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
        lauhal

        Tedd - I just splurged on the 27 inch iMac. Holy @!$%#. It's huge. (Yes, I know...that's what she said.)

        • 5 votes
        #8.6 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:43 PM EDT
        rottlady

        Now that's what I need! I need a bigger screen!

        • 2 votes
        #8.7 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
        gecko85

        Tedd - I just splurged on the 27 inch iMac. Holy @!$%#. It's huge. (Yes, I know...that's what she said.)

        I just got the same. Very nice! I upgraded from a 4 year old 20". Soooooo big it's almost scary. My old 20" second monitor is now dwarfed.

        • 4 votes
        #8.8 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:13 PM EDT
        lauhal

        I have them sitting side-by-side at the moment. What a difference! I just migrated last night, after having to get a firewire adapter. I think everything went perfectly. I started at around 7pm and it was done at 1am. I'm nervous that everything didn't make it over in that short of time. I've heard so many people say that it took them at least overnight.
        Our computers are about the same age. I didn't have a lot of video, but tons of photos & music. How did your migration go?

        I just heard my old Mac mumble something about monitor envy. ;)

        • 5 votes
        #8.9 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
        gecko85

        If yours took 6 hours, then I wouldn't worry...that's plenty of time. I've done smaller systems in 3 hours.

        And for future reference, you can do the migration over ethernet if you don't have the proper FireWire cable (or adapter).

        • 2 votes
        #8.10 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:15 PM EDT
        lauhal

        Thanks. That makes me feel better. Now I'm gonna migrate even older stuff from my old G3!

        • 2 votes
        #8.11 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:55 PM EDT
        Red Wolf

        Ethernet is doable but slow. Make sure to empty the trash and remove any non-essential files (like the huge chunks of video that are archived elsewhere) prior to migrating and it will run much more smoothly.

        • 1 vote
        #8.12 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:44 PM EDT
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        ZoneAlarm caught using fake antivirus scare tactics

        ZoneAlarm has been using marketing tactics very similar to the ones used by fake antimalware software.

        • 4 votes
        #8.13 - Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
        Reply
        gecko85

        I like AVG for my Windows using friends (and co-workers), and ClamX AV for Mac (to find and squash any Windows viruses sent via email attachments so they don't get passed along to Windows users...)

        • 4 votes
        Reply#9 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
        Tedd Riggs

        I am using Intego's Internet Security which so far.....has been ok, not free however.

        • 3 votes
        #9.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT
        Reply
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        MSE it's top rated, award winning, doesn't interfere with user applications (slow them down) like several others and it's the only one to handle multi CPU exploits. The upcoming version looks even better.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#10 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        I should add to this, I don't solely rely on MSE. I have modified my HOSTS file, I use FlashBlock, NoScript, Better Privacy (to clear Flash cookies) have Javascript disabled, have exclusive filters set on my email accounts, never use the same email account and password on other sites and practice phishing free habits by using WoT (Web of Trust) which rates sites based on safety.

        I also do something so many people neglect, I actually run and update my malware/virus protection on a daily basis. I also update my BIOS, drivers and update the operating system when new updates become available. <-- people need to update and actually use the software to make them effective.

        • 5 votes
        #10.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
        Augur Well

        blogger!

        <-- people need to update and actually use the software to make them effective.

        Yes, yes, and yes sir! Thank you! A most excellent point! I can't say I update my av programs daily, but I surely do update a lot, prolly four or five times a week, when I remember to, that is! *grin*!

        Great links, thanks! You get my "helping their fellow viners award" for today!

        • 3 votes
        #10.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
        rottlady

        Great info Pacific, thanks!

        • 1 vote
        #10.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT
        Reply
        Soval-1219303

        I can't say much with regards to protection, but for cleaning one of my favorites is RemoveIt! Pro, it really gets a lot of stuff. Malwarebytes is good too, but it seems to be loosing its effectiveness lately, sometimes it doesn't even find anything on heavily infected systems.

        Also, can't go wrong with ComboFix for whacking Rootkits.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#11 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
        steven-791492

        Face it if your not paying for it your getting exactly what you have paid for..... take a deep breath, pay the money and un-install all of the free ones.

        • 1 vote
        #12 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
        gecko85

        Complete and utter bull@!$%#. Most of the paid solutions (McAffee, Norton, etc.) are bloated, slow, and don't offer any better protection than free alternatives like MSE or AVG. I will never again install Norton Anti-Virus on anybody's machine...it's practically a virus itself, and very difficult to completely remove.

        • 3 votes
        #12.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
        steven-791492

        Do not think I said anything about Norton..... I agree the home version is sucky.

        McAffee is a hightone free ... your just paying extra for it.

        But thanks for putting me in my place .... I will sit in the corner and let the adults chat.

        • 2 votes
        #12.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT
        storyartist

        Did you say N-O-R-T-O-N?? We had OneCare with my internet provider, and they switched to Norton this year. Never had so many problems. Finally got all their crap out of my system and use the little free ones now. Much better (AVG plus malwarebytes). I believe Norton fights with my Firefox browser.

        • 3 votes
        #12.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
        steven-791492

        storyartist please read the tag directly above yours...

        • 2 votes
        #12.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT
        storyartist

        I'm missing your point. I read everything before I responded, now re-read, and I'm clueless to what you mean.

        • 1 vote
        #12.5 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
        cookin mama

        story i had norton and will never ever again, or mc afee hate them both waste of money. IMO.

        • 2 votes
        #12.6 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:28 PM EDT
        steven-791492

        Your telling everybody again how bad norton is.....I had said I was not talking about norton, gecko85 had told everybody how wrong and bad I was, for what I am not sure.... again I did not say anything about norton..... then you tag my post again telling me how bad norton is.... hmmmmm I should have stayed in my corner while the adults talk.....

        Maybe another way to say the same thing is I am not sure why norton is being bashed because of what I said. not once but 3 times....

        My mistake is saying to pay for protection ..... that is my opinion. Not one time did I endorse any company or service.

        I believe people that use free protection, do not use it properly.... or they install several of the free ones at the same time. I understand most people posting here know more than I will ever know or care to know. I have been trained by my mate for the last 25 years, and still lock up the very powerful computers he uses for his work...

        • 1 vote
        #12.7 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:31 PM EDT
        Consider It

        And you are correct steven. There is no reason to pay for anti-virus software.

        And, I don't feel like reading up, but if you said Norton sucks...then you are correct also. It takes over a PC. Try removing Norton from a network sometime...it's a pain in the ass that almost seems to be deliberate in it's intention.

        • 3 votes
        #12.8 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT
        gecko85

        Steven, just for the record, this is what you originally said:

        Face it if your not paying for it your getting exactly what you have paid for..... take a deep breath, pay the money and un-install all of the free ones.

        I responded, perhaps a bit strongly, that I think that's total bunk. Several of the free offerings are excellent and there's no reason whatsoever to uninstall them or pay for an alternative. I then mentioned the two most popular paid alternatives: McCaffee and Norton, and used a personal anecdote about Norton. True, you didn't mention Norton, but you *did* say "pay the money" and essentially said that in order to be safe you need to use one of the paid alternatives not a free one. Norton is one of the top selling paid alternatives, so the mentions of it make perfect sense in this context.

        • 3 votes
        #12.9 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
        steven-791492

        gecko85 thanks for the clarification.... we will disagree, works for me. I checked again with my geek, we do and will continue to pay.... we have our machines plus the 9 network servers and the several hundred users, at 3 plants, he uses a vpn to connect directly. @!$%#load of stuff to protect.

        That being said he still puts friends on paid protection..... mostly after having to spend few hours cleaning up their machines or reloading them. I still think it boils down to the knowledge of the user, most users cannot keep up .....whatever.

        I do not know what we use at home... it is not norton, and he is asleep, thankfully I do not have to deal with it except to notice the scams, and read the results when it catches something..... Avast is what we use, he woke up....:) I see that is one of the choices.... so that is my vote, except we pay for it.....and it works dandy. He uses Symantec on his work equipment, and pays thousands of dollars for the privilege ...and they own norton.... seems I have come full circle.

        Someday I will learn to not spill my ignorance on these geek seeds.....the way it is suppose to work is he will out live me...:)

        • 2 votes
        #12.10 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT
        storyartist

        So does that mean I'm free to comment again without being scolded? I only commented on this thread because of the Norton/paid interaction -- and offered my own observation that Norton fights with Firefox. If that's not welcome on your thread, I'll apologize now and bow out.

        • 2 votes
        #12.11 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 2:16 AM EDT
        rottlady

        Storyartist, I'm sorry you feel like you are not welcome because you are! Please feel free to comment on anything I post. I do appreciate what you have to say!

        • 1 vote
        #12.12 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 7:20 AM EDT
        storyartist

        Thank you rottlady. I guess that's where you got the "lady" portion of your name! I was just clarifying with steven. I don't know what button got pushed about Norton, but that was really all I had to say -- that I believed it fights with Firefox, if that is helpful to anyone else, or if anyone else has verification. Happy holiday weekend to you!

        • 2 votes
        #12.13 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 7:59 AM EDT
        steven-791492

        storyartist..... please accept my apology for any offense I have caused in any way.

        Looking back I should have stayed off this seed entirely, I do not use nor endorse any free ware.... so by default do not have a vote. Again sorry for your troubles.

        rottlady, I think we have chatted before.... I believe your from my hometown, you have has a hot hot summer. Please accept my apology for any trouble caused.

        Another subject entirely, we recently rescued a pit mix, by the time I restore her health, she will be a $800 stray. I am learning to love this class of doggy, she is the sweetest baby. How anybody could mistreat a dog is beyond anything I can understand.

        • 3 votes
        #12.14 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
        rottlady

        Steven, your fine too. I understand how you feel about free software, but I really believe that some of it is ok. And if I can get something for free, I'm going to do it.

        As for the pit mix, I've been around a lot of pits and have yet to find a bad one. The trouble they cause is because of negligent owners, not because they are bad dogs. Good luck with yours!

        • 3 votes
        #12.15 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT
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        Dr Know

        AVG free is on version 9 now and has been for a while...

        I have been using AVG free for many years. It works very well.

        Norton and McAfee have become bloatware.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#13 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
        Division by Zero

        I use AVG and MalwareBytes. Norton and McAfee are definitely bloatware. My mother and I have the same computer configuration, With AVG my computer runs smoothly and quickly. With Norton her computer crawls.

        • 2 votes
        #13.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT
        rottlady

        AVG free is on version 9 now and has been for a while..

        Thanks for the update!

        • 2 votes
        #13.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:17 PM EDT
        SS-CA

        Yes, for home editions and personal computers, I strongly recommend one of the free editions: Avast, AVG, or Avira (or MSE). The paid editions often don't offer much in addition; many are full-blown "security suites", that I really haven't found to be necessary, unless you're doing some really really sketchy stuff (and even still probably aren't warranted). Windows Firewall works perfectly fine as a software firewall in most cases; issues often arise with those who install Norton or McAfee suites and do not disable Windows Firewall, right off the bat that can cause system instability. Not to mention all the additional items: backup software, website phishing protection, network monitoring programs, etc. Most are redundant and unnecessary, and you're probably better off with Microsoft's offerings (many are already built-into your OS and browser). They can also cause instability if using more than one product to do the same service.

        So, at best bet, if anyone's unsure, write down all the security software you have installed on your system, see what looks necessary or not. I recommend always have the bare-minimum of the following: Firewall (Windows XP and up have built-in), a real-time Anti-Virus (not offered as part of the OS), and an updated browser.

        With Norton her computer crawls.

        Norton is bloated, but it also doesn't clean up its tracks. Make sure her disk is defragged and use a reg cleaner like CCleaner, it might help (my dad had McAfee on his since it was offered for free by Comcast, made a mess of his computer).

        • 4 votes
        #13.3 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
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        FDBryant3

        Personally I use MSE because it is ranked very highly, plays well with others, and is easy to manage. For on demand scanning I use Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware (actually I haven't used these on my systems but I use them frequently on system I get the pleasure of cleaning).

        As for Norton and McAfee for all the complaints of bloatware you hear about them they do rank very highly in testing and consistently above free products. Most people do not actually notice the effect they have on their systems (since computer hardware is vastly more powerful than most software needs). Plus their latest versions have made great strides in reducing their footprint on the system. That said I don't think the margin of effectiveness they have over the free products is worth their cost.

        Ultimately though this is only one layer of defense for your system. What you really need is several layers of defense that begin with you. My article "How to Protect Your Computer from Internet" details how to properly to protect yourself (although some of its recommendations could use updating). It boils down to the following rules which is more about you than your software:

        1) Keep your system up to date. This means both your software and your Operating System. Most malware target known exploits that already have been fixed but they are effective because people do not update.

        2) Be careful where you surf. Most infections start by visiting a strange websites. Consider using the plug-in from McAffee Site Advisor or Web of Trust which will append a safety rating to search results (but also use common sense as even these can be spoofed).

        3) Only download software from trusted sources. Avoid downloading plug-ins from strange sites. Just because a pop-up says you have to install something doesn't mean you do. Only do so if it is a trusted reputable site.

        4) Only download attachments or click a link in email if you are expecting it. Did your bank send you a link for you to log in with? Did you friend send you pictures of a nude Anna Kournikova? Probably not. If it has come from out of the blue do not click or download. If it comes from a friend and your not expecting it, check with them first.

        5) Do not install a program unless your sure it is safe. Even if the program comes from a friend on a USB key consider having it uploaded to a service like JOTTI or Virus Total (in fact VirusTotal I believe now have an extension which lets you scan a download before you download it) which will scan it with multiple anti-virus scanners.

        6) Always use a Firewall - at home I advise using a router even if all you have is one computer. When traveling make sure you turn on a software firewall before connecting to a strange network.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#14 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:41 PM EDT
        rottlady

        Ok, thanks so much for all the great information and I'll go read your article again.

        • 1 vote
        #14.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
        cookin mama

        now with articles like this you do get smarter here.

        • 1 vote
        #14.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
        rottlady

        It's nice isn't it, I always enjoy all the smart folks around here!

        • 1 vote
        #14.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT
        cookin mama

        me too.....

        • 1 vote
        #14.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT
        SS-CA

        FDBryant3, I pretty much agree with what you said. One of the largest errors I see users make is the lack of updating; as you stated, most exploits are for older versions of software, and if you haven't updated, you are at significant risk. The other major issue is just downloading anything willy-nilly. There are plenty of sites that look legit; many of the times people look for "free" software (which is something I often do for a living), but many of those are not reputable, and many contain malware (if not a virus, often spyware/adware). For starters, look for "open source" when looking for free stuff, use something like http://sourceforge.net/, they have less chance of being malware, or CNet http://download.cnet.com/, both sites have user reviews, and can help before you even download something.

        And, after downloading something that you're unsure about, always run a virus scan on them; many anti-virus software install a right-click shortcut, if you right-click the object then "scan".

        • 4 votes
        #14.5 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
        neenie1991

        Love CNET. Great source for information, reviews and free downloads of all kinds.

        • 2 votes
        #14.6 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
        Reply
        Merle T Wiler

        I have been happy using McAfee for years and also use the free versions of Ad-Aware and MSN Spyware. They seem to catch everything.

          Reply#15 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
          huiyiDeleted
          Merle T Wiler

          Oops I should have mentioned in my post that McAfee is free if you are a MSN subscriber so maybe it counts as being only semi-free.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#17 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:30 PM EDT
          huiyiDeleted
          spokaneconservative

          Speaking as an IT guy fixing computers for over 20 years, let me tell you, Avast is the ONLY way to go!! Most of the rest do not catch half of what Avast catches, Avast is an anti-virus only program (no extra junk to clog your bandwidth), and it will do a DOS level scan at bootup. A lot of viruses attach to critical system files and by the time you see a desktop, it's too late. Better yet, it WORKS!!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#19 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:58 PM EDT
          Carloz

          Thanks for the article and links, Rottlady -- lots of good info in the comments. Have a good labor day weekend!

          • 3 votes
          Reply#20 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 6:29 AM EDT
          rottlady

          Your welcome Carloz, I have learned a lot myself. Thanks!

          • 3 votes
          #20.1 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 7:21 AM EDT
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          xfgnxvDeleted
          1devon

          I used to like AVG until I purchased it, then it wouldn't load on my computer, they refused to refund my money, then a month before the renewal was due they magically sent me a 'download' tool. Hate them now. Whatever you do do NOT give $$$$ to AVG.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#22 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
          rottlady

          Dang, what a snafu! I don't blame you for not liking it!

          • 3 votes
          #22.1 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
          1devon

          It gets worse, Rottlady (LOVE rotties, btw)..since the download tool worked, I was stupid enough to renew (writhing in shame), then lo and behold, it wouldn't load on my computer again. I contacted them immediately and am still waiting for our credit card to be credited. That was months ago.

          • 5 votes
          #22.2 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
          rottlady

          Oh now that really sucks! I'm hoping you don't try that again! The bums!

          • 3 votes
          #22.3 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
          SS-CA

          Did you try uninstalling the software, reboot, running a reg cleaner like CCleaner, reboot, then reinstalling? Sometimes they leave a lot of residual junk; just tryin to help out, that sucks when you pay for something and it doesn't work!

          • 4 votes
          #22.4 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
          Student of Life

          Also, make sure that any other av software/firewalls are turned off BEFORE you attempt the installation procedures .

          One AV will attempt to stop parts of the other AV from installing because it thinks it's 'being attacked.' It may not flash any warnings, but it'll definitely fight you kicking and screaming the whole way.

          • 1 vote
          #22.5 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:22 PM EDT
          Reply
          mstanley2265

          MSE caught five trying to weasel in my computer and it's regularly updated automatically. I've been using Microsoft for something like 16 years now, tho it doesn't seem that long ago that I started with my first email account. They're always making improvements. I've seen them go from vague to finalized products very interesting.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#23 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
          Joe-1680982

          I have four on my IBM T-30 laptop. OneCare Free, SuperAntiSpyware Free, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware Free and AVG 9 Free.

          What one misses the others will catch. Usually it's the SuperAntiSpyWare.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#24 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 5:35 AM EDT
          rottlady

          I checked out the SuperAntiSpyware reviews and saw a lot of favorable ones, I'm going to put that on my backup list. Thanks!

          • 3 votes
          #24.1 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
          Joe-1680982

          rottlady, comment #21.1:

          By all means give it a try. The program is so vigilant it’ll pick up all the tracking cookies left behind by the other programs because they’re considered ‘safe’. And when I say all, I mean ALL, regardless of type (regular or ‘flash’) or site of origin.

          A nice feature to have when you want to completely erase all traces of your browsing history and/or start the day ‘clean’.

          • 1 vote
          #24.2 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
          Reply
          mrsrachelmRestored

          Comodo. I HIGHLY recommend it.

          Free products by Comodo to check out:

          http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/free-internet-security.php

          http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/verification-engine.php

          http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/cloud-scanner.php

          http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/disk-encryption.php

          http://www.comodo.com/home/email-security/secure-email.php

          http://www.comodo.com/home/browsers-toolbars/browser.php

          • 3 votes
          Reply#25 - Wed Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
          rottlady

          Deleted as advertising

            Reply#26 - Wed Sep 8, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
            mrsrachelm

            I was advertising? Really? Did you did you not ask about favorite anti-virus software etc?

            I said what my favorite was and merely provided links to it for others to check out if they were of a mind. I noticed your article provided links to several sites. Not sure how your links aren't advertising while my links were.....but whatever.

            So okay...minus any links whatsoever......

            Comodo.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#27 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 12:16 AM EDT
            rottlady

            Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry, and your comment was restored. I guess it was too late last night for me to be online. I didn't look closely enough. Again, I'm sorry.

            The links are fine, I did ask for help and thank you!

            • 3 votes
            #27.1 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 6:31 AM EDT
            mrsrachelm

            LOL!

            No problem.

            I wasn't mad....just perplexed, LOL

            • 3 votes
            #27.2 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
            gecko85

            In rottlady's defense, when I first saw the post I also thought it was spam...I had to look closer to realize it wasn't. It's just that posting a long list of links is what the spam commenters do. If it had been one or two links, it wouldn't have triggered a red flag. So, it just *looked* like spam at first glance.

            • 4 votes
            #27.3 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
            rottlady

            Thanks gecko85, I really should have looked a little closer though.... I'm glad you came back mrsrachelm.

            Now I wish I could delete my own comment,#23 but for some reason I can't.... Hmmm learn something new everyday. *smiles*

            • 3 votes
            #27.4 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
            Atsidi

            Sorry, I did the same thing. I hit the advertising link with out even bothering to check it out.

            • 4 votes
            #27.5 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT
            Student of Life

            Yep, same here.

            Just like email - if it says "Fwd:Fwd:.... 99% of the time it's spam.

            @!$%#

            Posing

            As

            Mail

              #27.6 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
              Reply
              rottlady

              I wanted to report back what I decided.

              I installed Microsoft Security Essentials
              I also removed the real-time setting on my Malwarebytes but I set it up to scan daily.

              I ran a full scan of the MSE and it found 5 problems on my computer, 3 trogans, and 2 exploits all having to do with Java. They have been removed!

              So far I really like the MSE, it's easy to setup, it looks really clean and runs seamlessly. I say that's a win!

              • 3 votes
              Reply#28 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:58 PM EDT
              Pacific Northwest Blogger

              Microsoft Security Essentials is also being offered to small businesses for free now as well.

              Remember to download new definitions daily and at the least, run the quick scan after. The product works best when it's used. ;)

              • 2 votes
              #28.1 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:46 PM EDT
              rottlady

              Thanks PN, I've got it set to run updates and a quick scan everyday.

              • 1 vote
              #28.2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:17 AM EDT
              Starseeker

              A good choice mylady, I think you will be pleased and well served. :-)

              • 1 vote
              #28.3 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT
              rottlady

              I'm really happy with it so far! Thanks

              • 1 vote
              #28.4 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
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