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Women handcuffed for driving to a well-lit area while being stopped by police.
News Type: Event — Seeded on Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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A family hopes law officers will make clear what they expect a driver to do if an officer tries to stop her and she wants to make sure a fake cop is not stopping her. That's what Vanessa Kimery thought was happening to her when she saw flashing lights behind her Wednesday morning.
It turns out it was the real deal -- a Greene County sheriff's deputy. The deputy tried to stop Kimery on South Campbell Avenue (U.S. 160), south of Springfield.It wasn't too long ago that Highway Patrol troopers and the Howell County sheriff were dealing the case of two women who were pulled over and assaulted near West Plains by a man impersonating an officer. So, remembering that, Kimery says she wanted to be safe instead of sorry when she saw police lights behind her.
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{"commentId":1911608,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
"Why are so emotional?" a deputy yelled at her.
"You put me in handcuffs," Kimery replied through tears as another deputy searched her car.
Kimery says she thought going to a public area where she would be safe was the right thing to do.
"I wanted people around me so that there could have been a witness if something happened," she said.
This poor girl, they have now dropped the Failure to yield charge after a public outcry....
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- 2 votes
#1 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:16 PM EDT{"commentId":1911636,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
The report garnered a huge response from viewers through phone calls, e-mail messages, and an online poll.
The poll shows 90 percent of respondents said they would do the same thing and drive to a lighted area;
10 percent said they would pull over immediately.
What would you do?
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- 3 votes
#2 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT{"commentId":1913240,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
I am a law enforcement officer and a woman, and from the information contained in this report, I don't fault this woman's judgment. However, neither were the cops wrong to treat her actions as hostile. This was simply a situation that needed a bit more time to clarify both sides' concerns.
The young lady made an intelligent decision to protect herself from possible harm. But when the cops handcuffed her and were yelling, their motive was the same. They needed to insure that this driver was not trying to harm them or lure them into a trap.
This talk about tasers is just the latest canard against police. No one has yet claimed that excessive force was used.
I'm glad the failure to yield charge was dropped. This should now go forward as a speeding offense, nothing more. This matter was handled sensitively and with respect for the woman's true motives.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1913357,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
Thanks for your perspective, you are right no one has claimed excessive force was used.
What makes this interesting to me is this is an election year and the news organization asked all 5 candidates for sheriff what they thought about it, all said she did the right thing....4 said the sheriff did the right thing, the other one said he felt they should have been more sensitive to her and made a judgment that she should not have been dealt with so roughly......(the yelling, hands up, cuffing) etc.
It will be interesting how this plays out at election time....
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1922391,"authorDomain":"fugitive247"}
However, neither were the cops wrong to treat her actions as hostile.
I think there needs to be a clarification of terms. "Hostile" seems extreme.
Was the woman insubordinate? Yes, out of self-protection.
Were the officers justified in escalating an already tense situation? Only if the subject demonstrated unmistakable hostility in a conventional sense (ie: combative, either physically or verbally).
This is not to discount the dangers law enforcement personnel may potentially encounter during the performance of their duties. As the saying goes, "there is no such thing as a 'routine traffic stop.'" Still, when trained professionals who are entrusted to "protect and serve" fail to recognize common sense safety of all concerned, then there's a problem.
Even dashboard mounted police cameras in unlit areas are no guarantee of anyone's safety. IMO the woman probably did the officers a service by giving them an added measure of safety via a reasonably lit area. There's got to be stats somewhere to the effect that better location variables produce more favorable outcomes. And when everyone keeps a cool head, the better those odds must become.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1911864,"authorDomain":"azsky13"}
I guess I would have just pulled over. But, given that there was a recent assault in the area by phony cops, I would understand why she didn't.
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- 2 votes
#3 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:57 PM EDT{"commentId":1911880,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
I probably would have stopped too, but given the stretch of road she was on, 3/4 mile of no lights what so ever, I really don't blame her. I bet the cops will be a little less hard on the next girl that does this...
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1912569,"authorDomain":"caroleroach"}
I would have gone to the nearest well lit place as she did. I was surprised that the taser didn't come out.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1912911,"authorDomain":"joegrind"}
Don't cops have loud speakers and could have just direct her to a lighted area, thereby easing her fear?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1912971,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
The road they were on is a 40 mph speed limit, with only one business between where they turned on their lights and where she pulled into. That business had lights, but nobody around, (so really not so safe) I'm not sure with the windows up if she would have heard a loud speaker.
We have had in the recent past somebody with lights on the car, pull girls over and rape them, we even have been told by public service announcements to drive to a safe, lit, and populated place if in doubt. I believe she did the right thing.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1912616,"authorDomain":"tacitus13"}
"I don't see any violation as far as policy in the way they handled this, none at all," said Sheriff Jack Merritt.
Wow, really?
Merritt says his officers were only using extreme caution because they didn't know with whom or what kind of situation they were dealing.
They've never had someone drive to a well-lit place to pull over? I thought law enforcement promoted this kind of behavior because there are cop impersonators all over the country.
Merritt says, in this case, she should have known this was a real cop because it had so many lights on the car. Typically, he says, fake cops only have a dashboard flashing light.
Typically but not always. Does this mean I'm supposed to count all the flashing lights before deciding whether or not this is a real cop?
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- 5 votes
#4 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:31 PM EDT{"commentId":1912653,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
I can't argue with any of your points. Since they have backed off the charge, now I wonder if there will be a policy change.....I hope so.
It seems to me the individual sheriff making the stop just went overboard on his judgment call. I think he needs to be reprimanded...we'll see what happens.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1912892,"authorDomain":"O-K"}
There is no reason for this kind of police behavior. Most police have the motto, "Serve and Protect.", which does not equal boss around and harass.
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- 3 votes
#5 - Fri Jun 6, 2008 10:14 PM EDT{"commentId":1912978,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
Sometimes, I think the power goes to their heads....
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":6099556,"authorDomain":"Kevinbiomech"}
Serve and protect whom? It is my contention that most cops, some wittingly, some not, fulfill the function they were hired for.
That function is to serve and protect their employers. And no, Virginia, that ain't YOU.
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{"commentId":1914169,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
It's getting harder to tell kids that cops = good guys.
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- 5 votes
#6 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 3:39 AM EDT{"commentId":6099246,"authorDomain":"carldeen"}
In my town of Texarkana, Arkansas, cops=good guys. However, for most of the USA, especially large cities, I believe cops=bad guys. I actually was not upset that three cops were killed in Oakland. Had that happened in Texarkana, I would have thought it was horrible. I would have been outraged that anyone that could do such a thing lived in my city.
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{"commentId":1914515,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
Department doesn't fault woman for delayed stop a follow-up article in today's paper.
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- 1 vote
#7 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 7:50 AM EDT{"commentId":1916335,"authorDomain":"rnorwood1"}
Police need to show more judgement. The gap between them and the citizenry is too wide. Most of us want to help them yet we're often in conflict with their behaviors. I was leading my girlfriend back to the highway at night - she wasn't familiar with the roads, when two town cruisers pulled her over. Of course I have no idea why, I've been watching her in the mirror. I get out and immediately they order me back into my vehicle. Sorry officer, ain't happenin', no real man stands by when this happens. I know her, she's a good citizen and person. They kept yelling and reaching for their guns. I'm ex-military so I had a sense of what I needed to do to put them at ease. I kept my hands up where they could seem them and made my case. They got the picture, one officer came up, explained things and stayed with me at my car. We got it sorted out - they'd claimed her car veered a little on a turn. Yeah, right, but we were sober citizens and we all parted amicably.
Now, I know what the police face day to day and my actions weren't something that helped, but there are situations when a citizen knows they are not in the wrong and are going to stand up and we should. The police should be made to realize who they serve, what service is, and that their powers are not absolute.
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- 6 votes
#8 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT{"commentId":1921511,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
The key in such a situation is to let the cop know that you're aware that you're being pulled over then drive to a well-lit spot. Simply driving to a well-lit spot doesn't cut it if the cop doesn't know your intentions. One of my friends is a state trooper and he advises turning on your interior lights coupled with driving slower than the norm while keeping your hands high on the steering wheel. In that way the cop knows that you know that you're being pulled over and can see that you're not holding a weapon or anything. He says that when you do stop, you should keep your interior lights on, let your window down, and keep your hands on the steering wheel until the cop tells you to do otherwise.
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- 3 votes
#9 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:43 PM EDT{"commentId":1921661,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
Good advice, this girl did turn on her emergency flashers and slowed down quite a bit. I think originally these deputies just weren't thinking about things from any other point of view.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1921542,"authorDomain":"caroleroach"}
It would be pretty frightening.
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- 1 vote
#10 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT{"commentId":1921668,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
I agree, You can tell she's scared to death by the way she is so hysterical.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1933206,"authorDomain":"james-pitman"}
I know that it would be horrid for her, at least until there was another officer there. Granted no mater what it is going to be hard on both party's but she was in the right. I think that giving her another charge, even to revoke it just due to all this public attention is absurd.
She did the right thing, the same thing that in a place like that I would have either my wife or when they are old enough my daughter do.
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- 3 votes
#11 - Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:08 PM EDT{"commentId":1933242,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}
I think that giving her another charge, even to revoke it just due to all this public attention is absurd.
I agree with you there.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1933414,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}
I would have probably only cracked my window and asked to see a badge. The only time I've been pulled over at night on an unlit road was when my brother was in the car with me driving home.
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- 1 vote
#12 - Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:31 PM EDT{"commentId":6103267,"authorDomain":"jdieter"}
They have the right to kill you, no matter what you do, and you have the DUTY under the law, to die. That is the way the courts have ruled. NO warrant, no probable cause, the cop had her license plate, and could have easily sent her a ticket in the mail. (ever heard of red light and speeding cameras?) There is NO reason for any police officer to ever pull over any car for ANY traffic violation, once they have the license plate number. This is an UnConstitutional scam they use to search whomever thay want, and use the Constitution as toilet paper while doing it.
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